The Brutality of Reason Example

By Ironcross One-One

Slicing and dicing things into pieces small enough
to be fed to Liberals, Kooks and Anti-Americans.
When feeding Kooks and Anti-Americans
I suggest a potato gun.

If you are the emotional liberal type, this mindspace will make you uncomfortable. If you think my logic or facts are faulty, lets discuss it. When your findings disagree with my findings, that is dialogue. But using rhetoric to disagree with science is demogoguery. No demogoguery! I usually refrain from insults, but occasionally, ignorance and liberal hypocrisy bring out the worst in me.

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Military Jumper, Diver, Motorcycle Rider, Air Traffic Control and Demolitions Man. I build furniture and cabinets and can frame, roof, wire, plumb and finish a house. Can weld steel, drive heavy equipment, build pole barns and mortared rock walls. Have written one bad novel and one brilliant thesis. And I play the guitar.

Monday, March 14, 2005

WMD..What Did They Know and When Did They Know It?

Saddam offered the UN's Chief Weapons Inspector a 2 million dollar bribe to doctor the inspection findings.

Why would a despot offer 2 million dollars to cover up evidence of weapons programs that he didn't have or didn't intend to sustain? Michael Moore! you seem to have missed an important script point in your movie.

Also, the NYT says sophisticated engineering equipment was looted from WMD facilities shortly before or immediately following the US invasion of Iraq. How does one loot what does not exist? After all, Bush lied. There were no weapons programs.

Now it's becoming clear that there were weapons programs. The question is: What did the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian know and when did they know it?


Blogger Avi said...

The equipment and materials now missing were all accounted for before the war, nobody doubted their existence.

My understanding from article on this subject was that Iraq had equipment that could have been used for multiple things (ie: the same piece of machinery can make material for explosives or fertilizer, poison or medicine), and this duel use equipment was under close supervision by the UN inspectors to make sure it was used for the right purposes.

Once the USA-crew took over, our troops were instructed to immediately protect the oil fields instead of this potentially dangerous equipment, and now as a result, we simply don't know where this equipment is (and its being stolen in secret suggests that whoever has it now intends to use it for more dangerous things than making fertilizer or medicine).

6:53 PM  
Blogger Avi said...

This article about the $2 million bribe says it was offered to Rolf Ekeus, the Swede who led the UN's efforts to track down the weapons from 1991 to 1997

So when did this happen exactly? Between eight and fourteen years ago???

Everyone knows that Saddam had weapons that he wasn't supposed to have back then, but our intelligence (that Bush chose to ignore) shows that he didn't have those weapons anymore once the case for this war was made. Sure he had them eight to fourteen years ago while Rolf Ekeus was on the job (in a position to be offered such bribes), but not anymore.

Where is the mistake in my reasoning? I don't understand your support for this administration when the facts don't seem to back it up. Or is there something I'm missing, or another credible article you could reference instead of this one?

7:24 PM  
Blogger ironcross11 said...

No, but that's a convenient piece of rhetoric. There was looting in places UN inspectors had never accessed. The weapons inspection efforts were a farce. There are still tons of unaccounted materials and much of it was looted before the invasion. The things that were looted were not the types of things that fit in a mini-van. They are bulky, heavy and sensitive items that take careful loading and handling by crane and shipping by flatbed truck. Who in pre-invasion Iraq could get access to such heavy equipment assets without Ba'athist connections?

Iraqi scientists had equipment buried in their backyards. Only now, after the election, are some witnesses coming forward. All the western intelligence services were wrong? Or did Saddam get it out of the country.

It wasn't an uncoordinated looting, it was a contingency plan.

I take exception because I listened to a year of leftist screed about "Bush Lied about Weapons Programs" because those programs supposedly didn't exist. Now there were weapons programs but Bush didn't capture them. I want to know which it is.

But if I get your drift, production materials were OK as long as Saddam Hussein had control of them, even though there were 14 resolutions demanding he divest.

I'd like to be your investment advisor, I could sell you a bridge.

7:35 PM  

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