The Brutality of Reason Example

By Ironcross One-One

Slicing and dicing things into pieces small enough
to be fed to Liberals, Kooks and Anti-Americans.
When feeding Kooks and Anti-Americans
I suggest a potato gun.

If you are the emotional liberal type, this mindspace will make you uncomfortable. If you think my logic or facts are faulty, lets discuss it. When your findings disagree with my findings, that is dialogue. But using rhetoric to disagree with science is demogoguery. No demogoguery! I usually refrain from insults, but occasionally, ignorance and liberal hypocrisy bring out the worst in me.

Location: Edge of Nowhere, Washington, United States

Military Jumper, Diver, Motorcycle Rider, Air Traffic Control and Demolitions Man. I build furniture and cabinets and can frame, roof, wire, plumb and finish a house. Can weld steel, drive heavy equipment, build pole barns and mortared rock walls. Have written one bad novel and one brilliant thesis. And I play the guitar.

Friday, January 27, 2006

He's Baaaa-aaack!

For those that enjoyed the intellectual and philosophical disassembly of Brandon, he's back for your reading pleasure.

I indulge him, because see a spark of inquisitiveness that is uncommon in liberals. He seeks out challenging intellectual discussion and ignores it face to face rather than plugging his ears and shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALALALALALALALA."

It is a scientific certainty that if he continues to seek out challenging discourse eventually his liberal worldview will show cracks and then implode. People tend to be liberal when young and conservative when they age. Some of them turn so fast they get whiplash. Others take years.

As an engineering student, I'm betting it will be the first year he makes six figures and the man comes to take $25,000 in taxes.

He still doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism, but I have hopes he will someday. I did notice he didn't try to defend the Libs against the comments in Unholy Alliance. Since he doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism he may also be supporting the big Al Qaeda win.


Blogger Brandon said...

I just thought it was a little obtuse to try and compare half the country to an extreme organization such as Al Qaeda.

Would prolly be as fair as comparing the KKK and Nazis to Republicans just because they support a ban on gay marriage, just like some republicans.

I'm touched, you made a post dedicated to me and my liberalness.

4:49 PM  
Blogger ironcross11 said...

First of all, I didn't compare Libs to Al Qaeda. If I did I would have highlighted both the things that they have in common and the things that they don't have in common. What I did is point out that there are a number of things that Nancy Pelosi, Teddy (Let's Swim) Kennedy) and Harry Reid have publicly and repetitively called for that are also supported by Anti-American Islamist factions. If I heard Al Jazeera parroting the rhetoric of my party leaders, I'd seriously question those leaders. Anti-American rhetoric doesn't even raise an eyebrow with rank and file liberals.

Next, libs commonly refer to Republicans as Nazi's. To try and convince people that it isn't a common simile amongst the perpetual whine crowd would be futile. It's one of the standard whines we've been hearing for 40 years.

Republicans do not support a ban on gays getting married. They define marriage as a partnership of a man and a woman. If gays want to get married, they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like the rest of us. If two straight men got married would it be a gay marriage? - Noooooooo! It would be men marrying men. Which is not how marriage is defined.
If a gay man and a gay woman want to get married, there isn't a state in the union that would try to stop them.

Thus there is no ban on gay marriage. There's just a definition of marriage that you don't like.

If defining marriage as a bond between a man and a woman makes a nation/state/political entity just like the Nazis, then this is a 98% nazi earth.

And you people don't understand why you are getting your ass kicked election after election?

And one last thing, if liberals WERE half the country the Dems would have the Legislature, the Executive and the Judiciary sewn up. The only reason it's even close is because of the unions (conservative Democrats) and African-American (who are anti-gay agenda) block votes that get them the metropolitan areas.

The pro-gay, Anti-American, anti-factory, anti-energy left is a loud but small part of the population. It's a small part of the Democrat Party too. I noted the similarities between one small set of Anti-Americans and another.

The louder the extreme left gets, the more the Democrats lose.

11:13 PM  
Blogger Brandon said...

I hate the term Anti-American because it's just a buzz word that conservatives use to isolate democrats. We are living here, so that must mean something. I have to give it to the conservatives though, they got us with the whole 'family values' thing where anything not conservative is not a family value. Clue in: we wouldn't be fighting so hard and stand up for what we believe in if we didn't love America as much as we did. We have families too and care for them just as well.

Don't get me started on either of the national public parties. We have corrupt practices going out the wazoo with the Republicans and the Democrats going farther and farther from what the American people want by putting leaders like the disgustingly radical Howard Dean as the chairman of the DNC. I may be a democrat but that does not mean I approve of the madness that occurs in Washington. To say the least, I've lost faith in the national party but put it elsewhere such as behind great state leaders such as Mark Warner and hope they can bring about a much better generation of democrats.

The definition of marriage has been modified time and time again throughout history. Marriage used to be a permanent union between a white man and a white female and a black man and a black female. Then women could divorce and then there were interracial couples. It's time once again to modify the definition of marriage. Marriage should be something that's all-encompassing of legal citizens, not a special right to some.

So I guess I've finally figured out what you mean by liberal. You're actually refering to the crazies that freak even some of us out, not all democrats. See, I thought you were just blanketing all democrats as liberals. I could just take the last few paragraphs and just replace liberals with conservatives and be just as correct as you are. The liberal extremists are crazy, duh. Well so are the radical right-wing fundamentalists who want to make this country into a theocracy of one religion.

6:02 PM  
Blogger ironcross11 said...

I believe in American Exceptionalism. I believe that the values this nation was founded with are the fuel that powered it's greatness. I believe that as we dilute those values with hedonistic selfishness, it becomes a lesser nation.
The segregationist marriage statutes you hold out were only in place in less than half the states-- mostly southern Democrat States. It was never national policy. Remember that Democrats ran the segregationist south, Republicans are the party of Lincoln, the man that ran the do or die effort to end slavery and sealed his mission with his blood. I know that doesn't fit into "Bush is Hitler" talking points very well, but that's the way it is.
You cannot find a single Republican at the national level that is espouses an effort to make the country monotheistic. I doubt you could find a handful of elected republicans nationwide.
The policies from Democrats that Al Qaeda would love to see implemented are straight from the most powerful people on the left. How dare you make such a comparison? You know by now that I shred such things.
You are comparing the key leaders of your party to the nutcase wackos of the right. OK... yeah, anyone wonder why Republicans are running the country?
The key leaders of your party are asking for America to quit and go home. In war, QUIT is surrender and SURRENDER is defeat. Your leaders are ASKING for America to lose on purpose. Asking to give up on trying to spread Democracy in the area where it will make the greatest difference. We are trying to shape the future here. Is it going to be hard? Yes, Will people die? Yes. But they are already dying in that part of the world and arguably for all the wrong reasons. We know that there are those that want to export that killing to our shores. Maybe our cause is impossible. Maybe we are doomed to suffer assimilation into the Caliphate. But some of us are not willing to give up. We believe that if Islam and democracy can co-exist in Turkey and Malaysia, they can co-exist elsewhere. Do other aspects of Arab and Persian culture make it challenging? Sure. So what? Do you quit every class that gets tough?
The difference between conservatives and liberals on the war is that conservatives understand that there will be death and violence until this is settled so they take the strategic view to try to shape an acceptable endstate. Liberals assume that everything bad is caused by the US and if we were just not such a horrible country, that Sunnis and Shiites, Kosovars and Bosnians and all the others would stop killing each other. It is a childish self-loathing worldview. In many of these places they were killing each other a thousand years before the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

Democracy stops the killing most of the time. Occasionally there are setback and counter revolutions. Establishing Democracy requires deposing the despots and their agents. Some killing is part of that process. The Revolutionary War was bloody and was replete with setbacks and killing.

The road to glory is service and sacrifice.

As for differentiating between Democrats and liberals, I always try to remember that there are the more conservative aspects in different parts of the Democrat voting block.
The Catholics (Traditional Family, Anti-Abortion)
The Practicing Jews (Pro-Isreal, Pro-Religion)
The Reagan Democrats (NASCAR blue collar families)
African-American (Against same sex marriage)
Hispanic (Traditional Family)

As the rhetoric of the party moves to the left, it shaves of voters out of these groups to vote Republican because their parents told them that Republicans are the boogieman. Every time they hear that lie after years of Republican control, it makes them further mistrust your kooks.

Go read the left wing kook websites - it's lunacy - you'd think that protesters were being herded into soccer stadiums for public execution.

Get a grip and move to center or prepare to implode.

11:42 PM  
Blogger Brandon said...

My point wasn’t the extent of interracial marriage, it was that time and time again the definition of marriage is being modified. There is no constitutional basis for denying couples the right to marry. It is a tradition based in religion, something that has no base in politics of America. I see no reason why gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed. It might even increase stability in gay relationships and decrease the promiscuity that you so loathe of the gay community.

Sure, you’re not going to see people who outright admit that they want this country to be monotheistic but surely you can see it in their policies. The need to pray in the name of God before meetings, the fighting to keep the Ten Commandments in public places, the phrase ‘under God’ on money and in the pledge of allegiance all point to the same thing. Christianity should be the main religion and if that angers anyone, then they’ll have to deal, freedom of religion or not.

While I can’t speak for whatever those in Washington may say, I support the War in Iraq because I know we have no choice. We invaded and false evidence or not, we have to finish our work. If we leave, we will leave it in awful condition and thus all our hard work will be for nothing. We don’t want another Afghanistan.

I agree with your accusations that the national leaders of democrats are losing site of what it means to lead a country. Doesn’t mean you should bury us just yet, there’s still hope.

1:11 AM  

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